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friends Other supreme value, but in the ethnic classification, as coincidence cracking of the Pan politics of the game. Therefore, Taiwan is a democratic election is not so much civil war, as it is an enemy belligerent.
I replied: After all, people slowly came out. Taiwan is not , we should have is humility and not teasing expression. brother called So I am afraid again Dengerxiazhi the mainland, I do not remember more optimistic. Taiwan's democracy, I believe that coral red brother not only regard it as an effort the Chinese world, but also put it forward in one direction as the mainland. Indeed there are striking similarities of history, Taiwan's society do not suffer from scarcity and uneven distribution of the regulation of capital, our philosophy of equalization of land rights, more equitable distribution of wealth; partisan enough to have already left to the society of economic freedoms; government also actively promote the building of grassroots democracy. Therefore, the right to open political participation did not lead to confusion or blindness. However, Taiwan's government does have plenty of resources for the corruption of power made it possible.
values, if only to political point of view, not a brother of the first to democrats, and you have the opportunity to communicate the problem. < br> But in terms of Taiwan's democracy, it's tragedy lies in the social and public affairs, this is not the most basic consensus. It was the name of loyalty under the banner of the Republic of China Republic of China for subversion of the cause of loyalty, which is completely unconstitutional, The basic value of the rule of law, rules, standards are not subject to the basic requirements, I am afraid that as the form of democracy. Taiwan's air emptied Entertainment serious thought, hostile mood over fair competition. in a lack of respect for others, citizenship regime, democracy is likely to be an example of Nazi Germany.
, of course, other more in-depth questions, have the opportunity to discuss and brother. to point out that I personally do not like democracy, and others may wish to advocate democracy, but in the promote democracy, to ask why we need democracy, but if from human rights, promote freedom I feel better. The mainland has become the path to see the way forward tomorrow. Taiwan today, corruption, politics of entertainment, in addition to their political history is not enough to play outside for a long time, are there other factors? example, introduced the mainland to Taiwan whether intentionally render some things, and hide some other things, like the This ugly r l a right to exist, but democracy is nice because it can limit the extreme this ugly, Nazi extreme cases only. I do not know whether he is a democrat, but I want that sense of security , that was a huge blow when the accident (whether natural or artificial) can quickly find a sense of security assistance channels, such as legal justice, such as media freedom. In fact, Ye Hao human rights, democracy worth mentioning, or like I just want to pursue such a matter whether the person r l a sense of security, during which there may be a different kind or another, but in the authoritarian view, they are all enemies. Do you think it? Lin, under br> In order to better discussion and brother, younger brother made a chapter in the sea thought and democratic politics in Taiwan's history l r of the article. The first part is written for ordinary people see, brother of natural with such common sense. hope brother brought the first reading, exhibitions whether there is a guarantee? This is a problem. l advice r word, not when the real, be discuss and exchange it. issued under the forest site at 2007-8-3 13:07
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we start to talk about the history of Taiwan island. Taiwan aborigines in Taiwan's population structure is the small proportion of their culture Despite being careful to keep custom, but is mainly based on cultural pluralism and minority special care considerations, Taiwan's culture of modern ecological impact will be negligible. provenance and history of their lack of written records, modern people are very well aware of less, they are not masters of the general mentality of private persons refused entry to the land of the people, not to mention they generally live in the mountains of south-central and eastern coastal areas. Early mainland immigrants did not seem much of a footprint, outside the Sui Dynasty School officials seem only to the offshore islands of Penghu. Ming Dynasty, the coast of Japan and China merchants ronin pirates off base may be established, but the real fame for her loud Portuguese businessmen, but they are sailing in northern Taiwan, see these conscience port excitedly shouted FORMOSA (Fo Mosa) later the Dutch occupied Taiwan's west coast, and finally repulsed by Zheng Chenggong, which Taiwan came under the jurisdiction of the Chinese regime. followed by a wave of immigration, Taiwanese and Hakka crossing a large number of development, thus promoting the development of agriculture.
early development, but only fertile soil, where favorable conditions, the population of Taiwan is still not much, the Qing Dynasty set up a government only to be governed, but the imperial system and the Confucian culture quickly to the popularity of the scope of Taiwan into China. to influence government decision-making was thought Haiphong, then set the Taiwan Province, by Liu Ming-chuan Westernization such as open-minded and pragmatic first governor. Liu's policy objective is to turn Taiwan into a Fujian and Guangdong barriers, railway, mining, banks and even the telegraph have occurred in Taiwan. This development has unfortunately blocked by the Japanese, the Japanese began to implement up to five years of Taiwan's colonial rule. to express themselves and the Western powers like the ability to have a colonial , Japan began operating in Taiwan wholeheartedly. The first is the measurement of land, clear property rights; second is to cultivate better seeds to increase crop yields, develop cash crops (especially sugar); then the water conservancy, digging ditches, through the efforts of the Japanese colonial government , come from behind Taiwan's agricultural economy. The Japanese government also regards Taiwan as an important base for the south, the development of commerce and industry, railroads, open mines, building ports and encourage business. sequential implementation of these initiatives, the Government has implemented the colonial education, and reform the people of Taiwan thought. So despite the destruction of war, the Japanese government-run Taiwan's economic and social development after getting good, especially the clarity of property rights, rule of law for the modernization of Taiwan laid the foundation, not to mention the colonial government in an efficient and honest self-discipline, so Although the nature of the colonial government is a foreign government has been brutal suppression of killing people, but to win the support of people at that time.
this remembrance because the country received high officials of corruption and ineffective government and two, the incident has become a massacre of some good memory. Nationalist government retreated to Taiwan, Chiang Kai-shek as it temporarily in the long-term refuge, and never forget retake the mainland, despite the Prime Minister in accordance with the principle of equalization of land rights in the livelihood of the people to implement land reform and the efforts of a group of financial experts to establish a modern financial and banking-related system was not well developed in Taiwan. Sixty years later, Chiang Kai-shek finally accepted the fact powerless to begin operating in Taiwan. Prince Edward presided over ten construction Chiang Ching-kuo, Taiwan's economic development and create infrastructure and the environment; despite the moderation of capital request, the government controlled many industries with its efforts, but in general the business level, promoting economic freedom, social resources allocation according to market principles, the people enjoy the fruits of economic growth, but also understand that a fair, equal, the value of freedom and the formation of a play s not the idea. State Government has also three stages in accordance with the requirements of the founding prime minister, the implementation of local self-government, in a variety of election, the people cultivate the ability of orderly political participation. And even though many party organizations to promote official ideology of the rigid , but wore the banner of Free China, the Government had some degree of inclusion dissent; close contact with the United States, but also created a number of opposition is full of liberal democratic values.
the pursuit of freedom and democracy, since the Formosa Incident start, gained wide support. that the trend of the Chiang Ching-kuo in the change in policy toward the mainland despite the ideological rigidity, but gradually the internal democratization. the party ban censorship and counter-insurgency that the lifting of martial law, to make struggle to get the democrats a legal basis, since the true champion of democracy does not exist, and the fundamental group of the Republic of China on denying loyalty people have accepted the existence of the Republic of China's system of loyalty, which in fact became the center line of varying bad politicians. Basically, because Taiwan has a modern bureaucratic government and people of quality is relatively high, the cost of democratic transition is not large, the opposite of its long-term economic and political achievements on is seen as a model for the Republic of China Zhong people could have been like to promote to the mainland .
2000 �� ruling party in Taiwan toward a new direction, the ruling Democratic Progressive Party Legislative old system, the results of the bureaucracy to play a good side. Formosa Incident of lawyers will soon be mastered vast resources of the political system of corruption and depravity for the shameless politicians. When the corruption cases occurred one after another, political battles, power, violations of judicial independence, operating history, issues, and even outrageous personal attacks and other shooting incidents legislators, when the people's happiness index declined, education reform into a corner of history is no longer cherish morality is no longer respected, when the whole society addicted to entertainment in the pan, the Siege of people outside the place of democracy can not help but question. Some people say that Taiwan's democratic civil war is an enemy at war, it was worried about her to the Cultural Revolution, it was authoritarian rule even when the memory of Chiang Ching-kuo's economic development, people rich and social stability of the enlightened despotism.
for all these errors is not what a democratic system, why should we do to pursue democracy, What democracy is it a value category, or the legitimacy of the existence of the political system, where? humbly believe, to keep all the social forces die in the struggle, we need order and rules; to rules can be observed, we need to have coercive power of the institutions to implement them, this is the fundamental legitimacy of the government there. the ancient ritual of government in order to soldiers, the main punishment is for the purpose of maintaining social order. The authoritarian centralized or decentralized through in the form of do not ask. But today, we do not reject the hypothesis that social disruption, (although full of history and reality of learned) ability to adhere to human autonomy, and therefore emphasizes that the universal participation, advocating democracy. In fact, such thinking seems to be the order of is this:
First, the community needs of the general order of existence, this we need the government. (thinking of Jiang, the overriding point is undetermined) Secondly, everyone should have the right to the pursuit of legitimate happiness, and have the ability to self-government. Finally, in order to maintain our freedom or security, we need democracy.
In fact, freedom and democracy are mutually exclusive in the two areas, but the order of thinking seems to be this: First, to maintain social existence, we need the government the exercise of certain functions; Second, the functions of the space should be left outside the scope of civil liberties decisions. If we analyze, we can see democracy and individual freedom does not conflict, in other words, democratic politics, not countries do not necessarily violations of human rights, brings a sense of instability. (such as the colonial era in Hong Kong, the power monopoly, freedom of the people, so for the SAR, I could not even engage in party politics in Taiwan, Chang learning.) is the centralization of political enemies of freedom, to all social resources into the system among the deprivation of civil liberties, and as a communist and Nazi totalitarian politics.
democracy is it? democracy is a government management, and the law is fair, whether the freedom of opinion, whether right Security has nothing to do. Democracy means that the joint decision-making in public affairs, public policy advisory means that hearing, which means the election, which means everything according to the will of the majority to act, in other words, if most people agree that killing Chinese people The Government will implement it. (such as frequent anti-Chinese incidents in Indonesia, colonial rule was never there) If most people want to take away your freedom of speech, you have to silence. (The Trial of Socrates) If a large contempt for most people the knowledge to be Four Olds, vandalism. (of course being used during the Cultural Revolution, but many of the harmful effects of bottom-up caused great democracy is terrible)
then, democracy is not better than authoritarian also evil things? of course not, the above problem may also occur under the autocratic politics. Democracy is not the terrible consequences it may, but is blind and empty call it high. democracy is not the most basic value of the Its effective use requires a lot more general condition or value.
First, make sure you leave space for civil society, any personal matters should be the area of civil liberties, and by due process, the state shall not interfere in any name .
Moreover, democracy must be based on respect for others as a precondition of citizenship, participation in public affairs, can not deprive others of the right to participate in public affairs.
Taiwan's democratic constitutionalism and party politics of the Cultural Revolution and the Nazi movement has been a tendency. Frank Hsieh is quite alert to this, so he was opposed to democracy and civil war, claims reconciliation and coexistence. democratic elections, the Nazi movement and the Cultural Revolution and the fundamental differences that During the Cultural Revolution denied the equal rights of others as citizens, the Nazi movement is even denied the rights of others as human beings. Now the question is, Taiwan's political crisis is almost here: say you do not dislike the people of Taiwan, and even referred to you is to deny you are a human pig; and you run to the regime that you are a foreigner; refused to say his line of constitutionalism, constitutional amendments of the constitution is the Urumqi; incompetence in governing the country to deny allegiance was built in the Republic of China and the Republic of Taiwan threatened; own Taiwan tear torn apart and then say Taiwan is not a normal country. just think we should think in another way, so that we will find that we now need most is freedom, and protection of the freedom not dependent on the practice of democracy, for freedom and do not need to fight for democracy as a precondition. Second, we should develop the ability of citizens to participate in politics, the state in promoting grassroots democracy, we should be one of them into one to help foster people's ability to exercise of grassroots democracy, that democracy only after training at the end for early Republican politicians will not be as bad for democracy . Furthermore, we should promote tolerance, break national origin, gender, etc. discrimination or privilege.
last to point out that although Taiwan's politics is hard to compliment, but it has not completely ruined society, Lee said: On Taiwan, the chaos of the media a lot of negative things, but there are many in Taiwan, after all, better,,,, came to Taiwan to visit the people say that Taiwan is a very warm place. 2007-8-3 13:31
democracy into a mediocre they might to the political, mob rule!
Mr. insects II published in 2007-8-3 13:40
the one hand we want freedom, the one hand, uphold the Party's authoritarian rule.
such freedom no democracy can only be , democracy is mob rule, no democracy, freedom has become anarchy.
along see published in 2007-8-3 19:44
we are faced with a de Tocqueville predicted that the current deepening of the more era of democracy, freedom resides in this era of democracy and equality only to get long-term guardian. Meanwhile, democratic trend in the present and future will not only mean top-down government management, right from Havel's power to Nuonei Te of Responsive Law, Chatterjee said to be governed mass politics, democracy, equality and autonomy implied a dramatic effect more profound reorganization toward human order. Schmitt's rhetorical style I am afraid only siren song.
coral red Posted at 2007-8-4 02:06
commentary on the history of Taiwan is also good, but feels there are two small flaws:
First, the rule of Japan Although much progress has brought to Taiwan, also won the goodwill of the people of Taiwan, but when it comes to support, some of the over, Some good memories, authorities some useful measures, but these feelings with their national government retreat, is love and hate.
Second, the United States played down the impact of political change on Taiwan, exaggerated and even distorted some insiders, such as ; a number of fundamentally deny the existence of the Republic of China Zhong who have accepted the system of the Republic of China Zhong, which in fact became the heart of the bad politicians mixed line. Here I have to focus on the relationship between democracy and free some of the views it.
My first question: What freedom and democracy go hand in hand in the two areas it? Yes, we can find that there is freedom in Hong Kong, no democracy region, and even enlightened despotism of examples to illustrate the case of democratic freedom will also be there. but you and what means to ensure the independence and freedom of the eternal as well? as finance, power, the military are controlled by a non- elected government of democratic process which, if it not freedom of lamb to be slaughtered at any time? so-called protection than the threat of freedom, this the pattern of change, tell us a very simple and obvious but easily overlooked truth: like the Han dynasty, the first Ming, Emperor Yongzheng this king, and gradually destroyed the imperial power and phase balance of the original right, though, through their ingenious and diligent hard up for that deficiency, creating a temporary boom, but they are left to future generations is a demanding rule of man the ruler system. grabbed power when his right, to make way for future generations because the descendants of once they are not to the ancestors of the standard (whether before or moral) which led to maladministration bunch, they will be gradually degenerate imperial corruption and rent-seeking has become the perfect object. Over time, the officials of the public and even the common exploitation and oppression had to be added to the point where people can go without an effective way to curb this phenomenon and the deterioration of freedom has eroded, then they will have to rise up the.
pursuit of freedom that even the pursuit of democracy, because democracy is the production of free tree Ka If the soil. Although not directly eat the soil, but away from it, I am afraid the fruit grows again. Do not forget, our freedom is to establish democracy in the United Kingdom under the background.
my second a problem: democracy is an easy to extremes of government way? no one would think that democracy is the most perfect system is the panacea to cure all social problems, but at least it is the least bad system. in dealing with population matters It inevitably requires a majority of the minority subordinate to the interests and achieve a certain efficiency, but it is not to say that ignoring the interests of the minority, ignoring the basic human value judgments. you mentioned in the article, decision-making, means that the public policy advisory hearing, which means the election, which means everything according to the will of the majority to act, in other words, if most people agree that killing Chinese people, the government will implement. examples of fact, it is an extreme example of a democratic system (this is also the reason why democracy is the least bad l There are call high At least the existence of human nature, ethical existence, will be played relative role of maintaining order. the so-called including the suppression of all opposition, for inciting ethnic hatred in preparation). You also mentioned at the end of the Lee Yuan-tse is not the words of the right, Land a better place. powerful is the authorities. When the newspaper is to rectify, who was arrested, we rely on to safeguard our freedoms what? When the public authority to arbitrary interference with personal matters, we rely on to safeguard our freedoms what? When the ruler of deprivation the public the right to participate in public affairs, we have to rely on to protect our freedom? here, I do not see any feasible way, even when faced with tyranny against the response, there are only wishful thinking came up with the ideal state. U.S. President dare not infringe the legal rights of a citizen, that never was because he called the Little Bush, or his own party is Republican, but arrayed in that democracy, forcing him to comply with Constitution and laws. to Washington on today's China, I am afraid he will issue a and acquiescence. such as the establishment of Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party is the first breakthrough in the boundaries of their own, by the authorities acquiesced, and subsequently amended the Act to get legal status. But who can guarantee that we encounter is not the Deng Xiaoping, Chiang Ching-kuo ?
In fact, Ye Hao of Taiwan, the mainland worth mentioning, the vast majority of other countries and regions, too, democracy and freedom is often concomitant and mutually supporting. It's like duck, as two separate beings seemingly , but almost no independent living.
tired today, write some messy, especially the first question and the third a cross overlap, also invited a lot of magnanimous man. looking forward to your response.
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